The Greens and SNP are not ‘Nazis’. No matter how much Labour want them to be.

This article about the Green Party has been doing the rounds on my social media feeds the last few days, mainly I suppose as it’snot long after the Christmas/New Year holidays and people don’t have much else to do apart from slowly get used to work and generally accept the fact the general election campaign is going to go on and on and on and on until May.

These sort of blogs show the backward thinking of not just Labour, but all the so-called ‘major’ parties.  Labour though are going to fight this election not on what they can do, but what a Labour Party once did and if they keep telling us over and over again that they started the NHS people might believe them that they’re not the party that helped start privatisation, or indeed speak about ‘harmonising’ the NHS which is management-speak for privatisation.

But snidely having a pop at the Greens and SNP means they avoid having to do what the left should do which is create a better, more hopeful vision of the future rather than selling the future of the UK as being marginally less shite than that under the Tories.Calling the Greens ‘Nazis’ as this Labour drone does isn’t a surprise to anyone that followed the Scottish independence referendum where the SNP were (and still are) called ‘Nazis’ by the sort of hypocrite that should make people vomit.

Sadly, this is going to be the level of debate til May. People however have the choice of playing the game and therefore ensuring that the same stinking system that’s kept people down for 40 years in maintained or search out facts, policies and ideas for themselves rather than rely upon tired old party political rhetoric to decide for them.

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8 thoughts on “The Greens and SNP are not ‘Nazis’. No matter how much Labour want them to be.

  1. First of all, the article does not say anywhere that the ‘Greens are Nazis’. Secondly, it was written by a Labour supporter, not a member of the Labour party.Thirdly, I suggest you read the article I linked at the bottom of the article by Derek Wall, a Green Party member, who has also writtien about the issues I raise, tracing the Green Movement back to Malthus and then the ‘blood and soil’ philosophy of the Volk and the Nazis.

    In my own article, I explored the tension between environmentalism, human rights, equality and social justice. This is an important issue, because how ideologies are translated into policy often has profound and far-reaching social consequences.

    I discussed the environmentalism and “blood and soil” philosophy underpinning the Volk and Nazi movements, the Nazis being an exemplar of the problematic issues I raised. I also discussed Malthus, and his ideas on population growth and the finite nature of resources. I linked some of the Green philosophy and policies with Malthus’s ideas. My point was that it is not the ideas in themselves that are problematic: it is the context, the application, the way those ideas are translated via policy and the consequences that warrants some discussion.

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  2. You also might like to criticise the article with evidence, rather than naking personal comments about the author – that would lead to a more adult dialogue. Calling me a ‘drone;’ and a ‘hypocrit’ doesn’t really address the issues raised does it, nor does it lend an air of credibility to your piece 🙂

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  3. Labour supporter is barely different to a Labour party member, and frankly, as much as you try to justify tying Nazi and extreme philosophy to the Greens it comes across as just yet another Labour supporter (and there’s plenty doing this) trying to slur their opponents instead of proposing why people who are former Labour supporters or members are leaving the party in droves for more forward looking parties as opposed to one proposing austerity and neoliberalism.

    I’m one of those former supporters and the Labour Party now is nothing but a right wing establishment party full of people desperately either believing it’s still the party of 50 years ago, or that it’s ‘pragmatic’ to support Labour to get the Tories out, yet Labour offer only a slightly less evil version of Tory policy.

    And yes, I am tired of Labour drones pushing the ‘Nazi’ line towards other parties. If this is what Labour and it’s supporters have come to then they’re not going to win back that support they lost.

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  4. Not much in point entering discussion with someone who clearly isn’t open to a genuine debate here. You don’t criticise the article that I wrote with evidence and you don’t address what I actually wrote. Instead you attack the person writing it and the labour party. Speaks volumes. I suggest you also read Derek Wall’s piece about the roots of the Green Movement too, as he draws a similar analysis to me, and he is a member of the green party. To dismiss something simply because a labour party supporter wrote it is probably more akin to a ‘drone’ than I am. At least I think critically and can debate rationally instead of responding in knee jerks.

    “Paradoxically, while Greens argue for social justice and other left themes, environmentalism is often linked to the right. Hitler believed in a politics of hatred ordained by iron ‘laws of nature’”- Darker shades of green. Derek Wall traces the thread of ecofascism through the Green movement’s history. Derek is a member of the Green Party’s Anti-Fascist and Anti-Racist Network, author of Green History (Routledge 1994).

    He notes the same tension as I do, between environmentalism and social justice/human rights. He discusses the environmentalism of the Nazis and the influence of Malthus’s ideas.See also – http://socialistunity.com/green-fascism-and-the-greening-of-hate/

    Not from a ‘labour drone’ but from a mamber of the green party.

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  5. So are you even going to try to convince a former Labour voter of the benefits of Labour or indeed, if they’re even a centre right party let alone a party of the left.

    See, the thing is dwelling endlessly about the past isn’t about the politics of now or indeed, the future. That’s what Labour and it’s supporters used to be like, now it’s just stuff like this and Jim Murphy pandering to the Orange Order and Tory voters.

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  6. I expect people to take responsibility for their own political decisions, based on looking at evidence, policies, facts – informing themselves and their decisions. So I don’t try to convince you, no. But if you are interested in Labour’s policies and what they are about, I do regularly post articles on my site from them or about them, you’d be welcome to have a look. But that would be your decision 🙂

    As far as a writing ‘niche’ goes, though, my site is a human rights one according to those that evaluate which topics writers cover the most. So you would have to search a little.

    Jim Murphy is an internationalist, which is about Labour Party core principles, that has nothing to do with the Tories at all. Being an internationalist and disagreeing with independence does not make someone a Tory. It’s like saying that the SNP = BNP…

    You will need to delve below the surface – superficial appearances – to find truths.

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  7. I’d like to hear a Labour supporter make an actual case for Labour and frankly, I’ve not heard one in a long, long time.

    As for Murphy, he has links with neoliberal groups and is as far to the right a Labour MP as it possibly can be short of Tony Blair.

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